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Ole Schenk's avatar

Strong medicine, Doc! Medicine patiently and meticulously administered.

"Precisely because God’s governance ordinarily works through finite and temporal causes—what Ott

terms Providentia Mediata—it is a complex, even mysterious process. Sometimes earthly outcomes

are desired; at other times they are merely permitted."

I'd like to select that fine point, of the Providentia Mediata, as a particularly vexing one. I could be wrong, but my diplomatically aimed observation here is to say that there's quite a bit of tension between a (Biblical) personal-historical God of will and intention and a (Philosophical) metaphysical God sustaining all positive being. There is a mixed discourse of metaphysics and personal intention. That there is both a divine providence, a mysterious and complex process, where there are particular contingent outcomes that are in some sense (intentionally?) desired (Joseph and his brother reconciled through the famine), and that there is a general (metaphysical) principle that God does not will natural evil but allows it to happen through the laws of physics and human willfulness (starvation of many Canaanites and Egyptians in the famine) - does it become a bit of a tricky situation where, whether what one attributes to a specific personally intended providence or whether what one attributes to a benign metaphysical permittance, that difference is in the eye of the beholder? The logic of the theology can support either conclusion in a given situation, or the variables are workable to support what one wishes to see. Submitted with respect and admiration for you and respect to Ott and appreciation for your effort to reason with us online armchair theologians.

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Christopher B. Barnett's avatar

Lots of tough issues in here, for sure. One distinction that I tried to stress, though I don’t think it’s evident in your comment, is that between “physical evil” and “moral evil.” According to Ott, the former is not willed per se, only per accidens—along the lines of the sports metaphor you mentioned. But “moral evil” is willed neither per se nor per accidens. So any moral evil, whether committed on behalf of a government (any government) or for the sake of individual self-indulgence, would not be willed by God in any way. So, in a sense, the “winners/losers” binary is not the real question. The real question is whether or not the actors in question committed moral evil or not—and that is difficult question indeed! [Typing on my phone, so hopefully this makes sense!]

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